Who’s the Climate Expert Here?

If my primary care doctor suspected I had cancer, I’d certainly take it seriously; she’s a great physician. But she’s not an expert on cancer, so I’d go see an oncologist (that’s exactly what she’d tell me to do, of course). And I’d go out of my way to find one with the best possible credentials.

When it comes to understanding climate change, though, it can be hard for the general public, and even for many journalists, to judge the dueling constantly tossed around on TV, in print, and online. It’s really happening, it’s really our fault and it really is a serious potential threat. Or… maybe it’s just the Sun, or some other natural cycle. Maybe it will all reverse itself in a few years. Maybe global warming is, as one particularly vocal Senator insists, “the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people.” With the exception of that last one, the above opinions, on both sides of the issue, have been put forward by actual scientists with actual Ph.D.’s, working for reputable institutions. So how is the average person, or the average reporter, who can’t read scientific papers him- or herself, supposed to figure out whom to listen to?

That’s the very reasonable question William Anderegg, a biology graduate student at Stanford, and several colleagues put to themselves a year or so ago—and the answer is being published this week in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. The bottom line: of 200 top climate researchers in the world, only about 2.5% qualify as “UE”—that is, Unconvinced by the Evidence for human-caused climate change. Which means that 97.5% agree with the general conclusions of the IPCC.

How Andregg et. al. decided what constitutes a “top climate researcher” is laid out in detail in their paper; basically, it involves how many papers about climate science each published in peer-reviewed journals—not only the number of papers each published, but the number of times those papers were cited by other researchers.

So the experts agree that climate change is a real; the people who think it isn’t tend not to be experts. But will that actually sway the public?

Maybe not. Let’s not forget that all the expert opinion in the world—and even the retraction of the original study that started it off—hasn’t slowed down the vaccines-cause-autism movement even a little bit. Remember also that an elementary school teacher who was sick of catching colds in class and on airplanes created a cold remedy called Airborne—and millions of people thought this explanation was convincing enough that they plunked down actual money for the stuff.

In short, people (especially Americans, it seems), are eager to see the experts taken down a peg or two by regular folks like you and me, or by courageous outsiders who dare to proclaim that the emperor—in this case, the climate-science establishment—has no clothes. How else to explain the widespread appeal of the so-called Climategate story, in which a few private statements, taken out of context, have convinced some that all of mainstream climate science is suspect. It’s happened in the past, after all: a century or so ago,  Alfred Wegener was denounced by mainstream geologists for his radical theory of Continental Drift, which we know know better as plate tectonics.

So why, I asked Anderegg, should he expect a paper establishing the expertise of climate scientists have any impact at all? “We’ve thought about that a lot,” he told me. “And I agree, there are lots of people for whom logical reasoning supported by data  is not going to be convincing.” But plenty of others really do care about evidence, and care about the qualifications of those who are providing it. “I imagine a Wall Street Journal reader type of person who may be skeptical about climate change,” or maybe a skeptical engineer or physicist.

To reach the others, he suspects that a scientific paper is not going to help much, if only because they’d have to accept his expertise before they could accept his conclusion. “They have to hear it from someone they trust—not some scientist from California.”

For me, though, the fact that experts overwhelmingly agree is a pretty persuasive piece of evidence. Sure, sometimes the experts do turn out to be wrong. But if it ever comes up, I’ll go see that oncologist anyway.

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  • cagwskeptic99

    There are few people who have studied any of these matters who disagree with the statement that more CO2 in the air produces more retained heat when compared with less CO2 and the same circumstances.

    The entire thrust of this study is basically nonsense. There isn’t any question that human CO2 is causing warmth. The question is whether that warmth results in catastrophic warming or not.

    Many of the articles by the true believers exhibit this behavior. First set up a false comparison (AGW or not AGW), then say that anyone who disagrees with AGW is crazy, ill informed, in the pay of the oil companies, favors tobacco smoke, believes in creationism, and denies the holocaust.

    The sea level is rising about 3 millimeters per year. Temperature is rising about 0.2 C per decade. Are these really justifications for shutting down all the coal fired power plants in the whole world? Even if you believe this to be true, there is essentially zero chance that China, India, Russia, and a host of other countries will shut down anything, so maybe you should focus your studies on how to adapt to the changes, if any actually do occur.

  • cagwskeptic99

    And to the point of the study, no where near 97.5 per cent of the climate scientists agree that CO2 emissions are producing catastrophic climate change, or even what the definition of catastrophic would be.

    The medieval warm period was probably warmer than today. Most of the people in Europe and North America would be pleased if the winters were not so cold. Humans did quite well during those warm spells, and it seems most of the animals and plants also did well, unless you believe that they all evolved in the last few hundred years.

  • talcite

    As the article mentioned, some people will ignore evidence for AGW/climate change regardless of what is presented to them…

    You are clearly one of these people cagwskeptic99.

    First, if you read the PNAS journal, it states that the UE scientists are actually publishing significantly less (over 20 articles difference) peer-reviewed studies than the CE group. This shows they’re doing less research and are less qualified to express views on AGW. It doesn’t say anything about being in the pay of the oil companies or dramatic Hollywood evildoing. Your conjecture about holocaust etc. is only dissuading rational discussion. I won’t comment as to whether that was your intent.

    Secondly, the intent of the study is not to claim that AGW is ruining the world. The intent is to show that UE scientists are ill-informed. You yourself erroneously drew the conclusion that this study is arguing ‘for’ AGW/CC and then erroneously came to the conclusion that this implied ruining the world. It’s interesting to see that you seem to be taking the position against the existence of ( c )AGW and yet are instantly inferring ( c )AGW from climate change data which draws no conclusions about ( c )AGW. A Freudian slip?

    And then again, you throw in more theatrics and drama with statements like “shutting down all the coal fired plants”. No one in a reasonable policy making position has suggested this solution and it’s certainly not the only one that exists. Again, I won’t question your motives for including this inflammatory statement.

    And finally you follow up in your second post with every armchair UE’s parrot line these days… “AGW’s real, but how much is too much?”. Well notice how the armchair UEs had first started off with “GW’s not happening”, then changed their tune to “AGW’s not happening”, and then changed it again to what it is today? It seems more like people are more occupied with making excuses than with really addressing the issues.

    Oh and to address your second post directly in a similar hand-waving/vague manner to which it was written: biologists know that too quick of a change in climate don’t cause evolution, but extinction instead.

    cagwskeptic99, instead of spending time debating whether ( c )AGW would happen, which is impossible without real data and years of supercomputer time, why not work to avoid the worst case scenario by following the recommendations of these scientists by cutting back on GHGs? There’s a large number of moderate lifestyle changes that most westernized citizens can make. You’ll even save yourself some money, which I think should be much less controversial.

  • cagwskeptic99

    Talcite,

    The CAGW crowd has indeed made it difficult for anyone else to publish in peer reviewed journals, as was well documented in the climate gate emails. There is essentially no research grant money available to anyone except those professing membership in the tribe, which is also a factor in counting publications, and skeptics generally must be prepared to work for free.

    AGW and CAGW are different. Almost no one who understands basic physics disagrees with AGW, but you have apparently read blogs from some without that knowledge. Can you cite even one peer reviewed publication here that denies that CO2 captures long wave radiation and warms the air?

    To say that the CAGW crowd does not want to shut down all coal fired power plants just indicates amazing lack of understanding. The CAGW crowd claim that we must reach zero CO2 emissions to prevent runaway warming. How would we do that it a world where China commissions a new coal fired power plant every week or two? Can you and all your friends drive enough less and use enough less electricity to offset a multi-megawatt plant?

    Computer time is almost free today. You obviously believe that computer models run on super computers can actually provide answers to climate questions. So far, in more than 20 years of trying, they have correctly predicted nothing.

    There has never been any serious question by anyone who has taken basic physics that CO2 warms the air. This has been established science for more than one hundred years. CO2 is a beneficial trace gas. Warmer temperatures increase evaporation from oceans producing more rain and CO2 helps the plants grow better and use the additional rain.

    Your concern that a one or two degree increase in average temperature over the next century is that some harm is likely? Most of the temperate zone experienced this condition a thousand years ago; the result was prosperity extending to Greenland due to better growing conditions.

    The scaremongering CAGW folks are the ones doing the hand waving and the personal attacks on anyone who disagrees with them. Your moderate lifestyle changes might make you feel good, but the amount of human produced CO2 is going to increase substantially each year for the foreseeable future; if you believe it is harmful then you should be thinking about how you will adapt to what is going to happen anyway, regardless of whether you can convince anyone else to join you.

  • orkneygal

    When Galileo Galilee was tried, there was virtually unanimous acclaim that he was both wrong and guilty.

    Science is not supposed to work by the number of votes.

    The warmists are in the majority because their grant money comes from governments that have a political agenda.

    It is just like in Galileo’s times when the “scientists” of the day were dependent upon the Church for money.

  • bradfregger

    Great discussion! So far the “deniers” are ahead on points. Come on global warming “fanatics,” you can do better. You need to use the “consensus” argument with more passion. And, don’t forget the “a few mistakes” in the research doesn’t destroy the outcome. Finally, don’t forget the “bible” quotes. The U.N. wrote that report for just this kind of situation.

  • populartechnology

    PNAS reviewers and author’s William R. L. Anderegg, James W. Prall, Jacob Harold and Stephen H. Schneider apparently know next to nothing about Google Scholar since searching for just the word “climate” with an author’s name will bring results from non-peer-reviewed sources such as books, magazines, newspapers, patents, papers simply in PDF format but were never published, duplicate listings, citations and all sorts of other erroneous results. There is no “peer-reviewed journal only” search option in Google Scholar. Not to mention using those search techniques will get results from authors with the same name but who are completely different people. For instance even when using the author’s name in quotes or advanced search operators such as “author:”, Google Scholar will still show results from authors with only the same last name. Thus authors with common names will get inflated results. Take for instance using author “Phil Jones” (the infamous former CRU director of climategate fame) with the search word “climate”, you get almost 5000 results! The study is worthless.

    As for skeptics, they have extensively published,

    750 Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skepticism of “Man-Made” Global Warming Alarm
    http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html

  • http://www.sanjeev.sabhlokcity.com sabhlok

    The issue here is not of anyone’s “expertise”, the issue is purely about the truth. Everything else is relevant. There has to be a rock solid explanation about the science that ANYONE can fully understand by putting in a reasonable amount of effort. The explanation should account for all known facts.

    Much of what required great ‘experts’ to understand in the past is now readily understood by first year university kids (e.g. special theory of relativity). In particular, I prefer to use my own mind on matters that may affect me. Therefore I have spent a good amount of time exploring the actual science and find that there is no case whatsoever to panic.

    Indeed, the slight CO2 increase might lead to a net benefit for life on earth. My current findings are linked here: http://sabhlokcity.com/category/policy-perspectives/climate-change/

  • ztabc

    Collating a blacklist of scientists? Why not? It’s been done before:

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,993018-6,00.html

    …even made the pages of time…probably more than once.

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